Division II 1964-1965 The programme for this season had on its cover Dave Dunmore scoring at home against Swansea the previous season. New in the programme was a quiz. Eddie Lewis, Norman Deeley and Bobby Mason had played their last games for us whilst Phil White had retired. 22 August home to Portsmouth. We learnt of new signings George Ramage, signed from Fenton’s old club Colchester. David Forsyth from Rob Roy Kirkintillock and Toomy Dunne from St Antony’s FC. Both were signed during Fenton’s tavels around scothland. Jeff Harris had signed professional form having played for us a couple of seasons back. He had played in Enfield’s Amateur Cup Final in May. According to my notes we won this one 5-2 but as you can see from the next photo we lost the next one 6-0. Anyone seeing both the Manchster City matches would have seen 13 goals. Programme team: Pinner, Charlton, Hollow, Lucas, Webb, Lea, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. Before for the match spectators were entertained by the Stalagmites, a beat group from Hoddesdon. 31 August home to Manchester City (0-6). ORIENTAL CHATTER Results of our matches during the last week was as follows :-- On Saturday 22nd August the. Reserves travelled to Swindon in the Football Combination, and won 1-0, JIMMY GEORGE (I think that should be McGeorge) being the scorer. Team:RAMAGE, FORSYTH, HARRIS, CARTER, BISHOP, SCOTT, MUSGROVE, DUNNE, J.LAMBERT, McGEORGE, ELWOOD. The Colts were away to Chelsea in the South East Counties League, and lost 6-2. Team :-V. PHILLIPS, J. BRIDLE, 8 Moss, D. WILD, A. LOVELL, M. SMITH, R. WIGG J WILSONHAM, G. PILGRIM, D. WILLIAMS and P. DAY. Goal scorers, Moss from a penalty and Pilgrim. Last Monday the Reserves were at home to Charlton Athletic in the Football Combination and lost 2-0. Team : RAMAGE, FORSYTH, HARRIS, WARD, BISHOP,-.SCOTT, MUSGROVE. DUNNE, J. LAMBERT, McGEORGE and ELWOOD. One of our Apprentice professionals, JOHN CLIFTON, was selected by the Football Assoc1ation to attend a course at Lillishall during the summer. John plays at full back, and has been a regular member of the Colts for the last two seasons. Many people have forecast a bright future for John. So did I but it didn’t happen. Programme team: Pinner, Webb, Hollow, Lucas, Bishop, Lea, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 5 September. home to Derby County (1-4 Price). ORIENTAL CHATTER Our results over the last week have been very encouraging. On Saturday last the Reserves played at home to Luton Town in the Football Combination and won 4-2, the team was as follows : WATLING, CLIFTON. HARRIS. WARD, FORSYTH. W. CARTER, MCGEORGE, DUNNE. J. LAMBERT, ELWOOD and MUSGROVE. The goals were scored by Elwood 2, McGeoqe l and Musgrove l. The Colts went to Bexley to play in the South East Counties League and won 5-1. Team was R. CULVER, J. BRIDLE. S. MOSS. A. RUSSELL, A. LOVELL, M. SMITH. G. PILGRIM, J. WILSONHAM, B. THOMPSON, R. WIGG and D. WILLIAMS. Goals scorers-Wilsonham 3, Pilgrim 2. On Monday last, a most interesting and exciting match was witnessed when the First Team played Manchester City, Wthh resulted in a win for us by four goals to three. Dave Dunmore and Ted Phillips both scored two goals apiece. The team was: PINNER, WEBB. HOLLOW, LUCAS, BISHOP, LEA, PRICE. GREGORY, DUNMORE, PHILLIPS and MCDONALD. We must again bring attention to our younger spectators. On numerous occasions we have appealed to them to refrain from encroaching onto the playing area. If they insist on climbing the wall after the game to collect authographs, we will have no alternative but to close the boys stiles, a procedure which we are very reluctant to do. News of DAVE CLARK who had his operation on Friday last at Whipps Cross Hospital. Latest report is that David is progressing favourably and is determined that he will be playing again in the future. To-day we have playing before the match, THE HABITS Beat Group which will be playing from 2 pm. A number of complaints have been received from supporters about pickpockets operating in the ground. In this respect We cannot help only to suggest that valuables should be kept in pockets which are difficult to pick and any incidents should be reported tothe Police. News of STAN CHARLTON. After playing 98 consecutive League matches and 13 League Cup and EA. Cup Matches, was forced to withdraw from the side against Swindon on Saturday last due to a pulled. calf muscle. We trust that Stan will make a speedy recovery. Stan couldn’t have recovered by this match as Dave Webb wore the number two shirt. Programme team: Pinner, Webb, Hollow, Lucas, Bishop, Lea, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. We were seventh in the table prior to this match. 8 September away to Bury (2-1 Dunmore). Bob Stoke was their manager and beer of the programme was Thwaites. We were 14th in the table and Bury two places above us. Dennis Sorrell was resigned from Chelsea on this day. Lucas had been sold to Norwich. Programme team: Pinner, Charlton, Hollow, Ward, Bishop, Sorrell, Price, Elwood, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 14 September home to Bury (1-0 Price). Oriental Chatter: Last Tuesday evening Bury defeated us by 2 goals to l at Gigg Lane. in a very close and exciting game. DENNIS SORRELL made his first appearance for the Club since he rejoined us from Chelsea. As many supporters will remember Dennis signed his first professional forms for us in October 1957. beings transferred to Chelsea in March 1952 in part exchange for Gordon Bolland. He made two first division appearances for Chelsea last season. °Although being disappointed with being on the losing side Dennis gave a very promising performance. 12th man travelling with the team on Tuesday was COLIN WORRELL, our new signing from Norwich. Colin who is a full back and is only 20, has played for Norwich this team this season, came to us as part of the Malcolm Lucas transfer deal. The team at Bury was as follows: PINNER, CHARLTON, HOLLOW, WARD, BISHOP, SORRELL, PRICE, ELWOOD, DUNMORE, PHILLIPS and MCDONALD. STAN CHARLTON returned after his muscle injury, but DAVID WEBB sustained a pulled muscle on Saturday last, as did HARRY GREGORY. JOE ELWOOD, our leading Combination goal scorer came in place of Harry. The Reserves travelled to Brentford on Tuesday last to play in the Football Combination and won in the odd goal of three in a very entertaining match. Team was : WATLING, CLIFTON, HARRIS, W. CARTER, FORSYTH, LEA, McGEORGE. DUNNE, J. LAMBERT, SCOTT and MUSGROVE. Goal scorers were J . LAMBERT and SCOTT. who also missed a penalty. On Saturday the 5th, the Colts played Charlton in The South East Counties League at Charlton and won 1-0. Team was: R. CULVER, S. MOSS, CLIFTON, A. RUSSELL, A. LOVELL. M. SMITH. G. PILGRIM, J. WILKINSON. B. THOMSON. D. WILLIAMS and R. FREEMAN. Orient goal was scored by DAVID WILLIAMS who is a Welsh Schoolboy International and who has attracted the attention of a number of first division clubs. At 16 it is believed that David has a bright future. The Colts Reserves played in the junior section of the South East Counties League at Bexley and lost 5-4. after leading 2-0 at half time. Team was: T. DEMPSEY. G. BALLARD. CLARK, G, CRONtN. D. CORDES. D. DAY. B. KNIGHT. l EVE. R. WIGG. K. FOSTER and T. EATON. Though there was no mention in the programme a new name appeared at 5. Andy Nelson had been signed from Ipswich and made his début last week (12th) away in the 5-2 win at Swansea. Programme team: Pinner, Charlton, Hollow, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 26 September away at Norwich (2-0). We were 11th in the table and they were 2nd. Programme team: Pinner, Charlton, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 28 September home to Bolton (3-1 Phillips, Dunmore 2). Oriental Chatter: Many supporters went away on Saturday when we played Rotherham quite satisfied with the result. An exciting match which we eventuality came out the winners by two goals to one. The team was: PINNER. CHARLTON. WEBB (who deputised for HOLLOW who was injured against Bury), WARD, NELSON, SORRELL, PRICE, GREGORY, DUNMORE, PHILLIPS and McDONALD. The scorer of our two goals TED PHILLIPS. Our Congratulations to TED PHILLIPS who at the time of going to press in leading goalscorer of the second division with a total of 9 goals. Ted has now scored 203 goals and may he make It 300 while playing for the 0’s. Since the last programme was printed out Reserves went to Millwall and drew 1-1 in the Football Combination. Team: RAMAGE. FORSYTH, WORRELL, W. CARTER, WEBB, LEA. McGEORGE. DUNNE, SCOTT, ELWOOD and MUSGROVE. The scorer being JIMMY SCOTT. The Colts played Charlton Athletic at Walthamstow on the 19th September in the South East Counties League and lost a hard played game 2-1. Team: V. PHILLIPS, G. BRIDLE, CLIFTON, A. RUSSELL, A. LOVELL, S. MOSS (who incidentally signed apprentice professional forms for the Club last week), B. KNIGHT, J . WILSONHAM, B. THOMSON, G. PILGRIM and T. EDWARDS. THOMSON was the goal scorer. The Colts Reserves went across the road to play Eton Manor in a friendly match and drew 2-2. This team consists of boys with an average age of 16. Team : P. CHALMERS, D. CORDES. D. CLARK, M. SMITH, L. COMMONS, P. DAY, B. MURPHY. J. EVE, R. WIGG. G. CRONIN and A. BUTTERFIELD. Goal scorers MURPHY and WIGG. The Draw for the London Challenge Cup-we play Crystal Palace at Leyton Stadium on Monday. 5th October. Kick-oh 7.30 pm. On Monday, 26th October, we play Chelmsford City tn the Final of The Essex Professional Cup. Programme team: Pinner, Charlton, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 3 October home to Crystal Palace (0-1). We were eight from top and newly promoted Palace were four places below us. Oriental Chatter: Today's game is the one that our Captain STAN CHARLTON has been looking forward to as it was Crystal Palace 14 year’s ago who told schoolboy Stan that he wouldn’t make the grade, but before his 21st birthday Stan was a regular member of the England Amateur Team and has also played 1st Division Football with both Arsenal and Orient. As a youngster it was his ambition to follow in his father’s footsteps as Stan senior was full back and Captain of the Palace for five seasons and is now a publican at the Duke of Cambridge, Homesdale Road, five minute. walk from Selhurst Park. Stan senior will be watching today’s match but it is not certain which team he will be supporting. Last Saturday’s team at Norwich was: PINNER, CHARLTON, WEBB, WARD, NELSON, SORRELL, PRICE, GREGORY. DUNMORE, PHILLIPS and MCDONALD. The same team played on Monday last at Home against Bolton Wanderers where we won by 3 goals to one, the goal scorers being PHILLIPS, and DUNMORE 2. The Reserves were at Aldershot on Saturday last and lost by three goals to two. Team : WATLING, FORSYTH, HOLLOW, W. CARTER, BISHOP, LEA, McGEORGE, DUNNE, SCOTT, ELWOOD and MUSGROVE, goal scorers being McGEORGE and SCOTT. On Monday last we sent a team to Stevenage Town to play in a friendly match. Result was a win for Stevenage by four goals to one. Our Colts on Saturday last defeated Brentford Colts in the First Round of the South East Counties League Cup, and won 4-1. The Colts now meet Queen’s Park Rangers at Shepherds Bush in the next round, the date to be arranged. The Colts team was: V. PHILLIPS, MOSS, CARTER, A. RUSSELL, A. LOVELL, P. DAY, E. KNIGHT, J. WILSONHAM, B. THOMSON. G. PILGRIM, A. BUTTERFIELD. Goal scorers WILSONHAM, THOMSON, PILGRIM and BUTTERFIELD. Programme team: Pinner, Charlton, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. My notes tell me for Palace Townsend did not play and Brian Wood replaced him. Why is there a team photo of Palace? With the exception of Glazier, Kellard and Burridge they all were to have a connection with the O’s later in their careers. 14 October away to Charlton (1-2 Gregory). Football League Cup 3rd Rd. We were 14th in the table and Athletic one place above us. Programme team: Ramage, Hollow, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Lea, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 14 November home to Cardiff (1-3 McDonald). In the reserves we were beaten 3-1 by Southampton. Musgrove missed a spot kick but Dunne scored from the spot following a second penalty. Team: Watling, Worrell, Harris, Carter, Forsyth, Scott, McGeorge, Dune, Lambert, Elwood, Musgrove. We lost this on 1-3 according to my programme notes. Programme team: Pinner, Hollow, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Lea, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 28 November home to Ipswich (0-0). We were seven from bottom and Ipswich two places below us. We drew 0-0. Programme team: Pinner, Hollow, Worrell, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Gregory, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. The reason Lea was not playing for us was he signed for Ipswich two weeks back. Which is maybe why we lost 3-0 at Preston last week. Sorrell replaced Lea and Dunmore recovered from a leg injury and returned to the exclusion of Dunne who had made his début at Cardiff the previous week. Musgrove made his first league appearance of the season when Terry Price failed a fitness test on a strained back. The reserves beat Birmingham 1-0 thanks to a Jimmy Scott goal. Stan Charlton played at centre- forward. Team: Ramage, Forsyth, Clifton, Carter, Bishop, Harris McGeorge, Dunne, Charlton, Scott, Elwood. 5 December away to Plymouth (1-1 Newman og). They were managed by Malcolm Allision and fifth in the league. Beers of the programme were Devon The Bottled Ale with Character and Quality from the Plymouth Breweries and we were advised to Take Courage. Programme team: Pinner, Hollow, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Scott, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 19 December home to Swindon (0-3). Programme team: Pinner, Hollow, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Scott, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. In the reserve match against Swindon we lost 3-4 despite goals from Gregory, Elwood and McGeorge. Team: Watling, Charlton, Worrall, A. Moss, Bishop, Harris, McGeorge, Dunne, Gregory Elwood, Musgrove. 26 December home to Charlton (4-2 Phillips 2, Dunmore, Metchick). A familiar sight, that of a blank space against the word manager. No mention was made of it but the home defeat by Swindon 0-3 probably did for Fenton. Most websites show him managing until the end of 1964. Thus: Leyton Orient 1 November 1963 31 December 1964 Plyd 56 W 17 D 14 L 25 30.4 %Win. The ENFA site however has it correct with Les Gore in charge of this match winning 4-2 but losing the last three of his matches in charge including the FA Cup match at Southampton. Not much changed in the programme line up though which showed : Pinner, Charlton, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Metchick, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. Though he did pay Fulham £5000 for Dave Metchick who scored on his début in this match. The reserves managed to lose 4-3 at Luton. This despite goals from, Dunne, Elwood and Musgrove with another from Harris disallowed. Team: Watling, Moss, Worrell, Forsyth, Bishop, Harris, McGeorge, Dunne Gregory, Elwood, Musgrove. 28 December away at Charlton (2-0). They were on the same points as us, 20. Programme team: : Pinner, Hollow, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Scott, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 2 January 1965 away to Derby (1-0). Leading goalscorers were O,Brien (Southampton) 20, Eddie Thomas (Derby)19. Smith (Crystal Palace) 18 including 14 at Peterborough. Bolland (Norwich) 17. Programme team: : Pinner, Charlton, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Gregory, Metchick, Dunmore, Phillips, McDonald. 9 January away to Southampton FA Cup 3rd Round (3-1 Dunmore). This was to be Les Gore’s last game in charge as we went out of the cup losing 3-1. Brickwoods was their beer advert “The Sign of Good Ale. Programme team: : Pinner, Charlton, Webb, Ward, Nelson, Sorrell, Price, Metchick, Dunmore, Musgrovee, McDonald. Right the May 1964 Youth Team tour of Holland. Scott, Vasper, Hollow, Webb, Briggs, Jimmy Bulmer. Bolland, Gregory,?, Payne, Price. Next page 1965*1966 Previous page. 1963-1964.